Gun Control Isn't Crime Control -- Emotional arguments need factual sources to be credible -- David replies to Ed

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Submitted by David Abramson, Mar 3, 2008 13:14

Ed says, "Let us simplify with just the summary: The ratio is 2:1. This means there are TWO successful self defense incidents for every ONE incident of firearms violence. Better?"

Let me just simplify for you Ed, with just the summary of the factual evidence in support of those of you who want more concealed weapons more easily available to more people:

None has been presented, by you or anyone else in this thread. Nor has Stossel presented any evidence for his thesis, as murky as it is.

Ed, Simply because one asserts a statistic or a "fact" does not make it true.

Let me use your example:

"The ratio is 2:1. This means there are TWO successful self defense incidents for every ONE incident of firearms violence."

You are simply stating this to be true, citing no reliable source. Actually, you have cited no source at all.

Here is an example of citing a reliable source on a related subject:

FBI crime reports indicate the vast majority of homicides involve acquaintances or relatives (75%) rather than strangers (25%).

What I'd like to see is a first class debunker to debunk professional debunkers like John Stossel.

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chris joslin

Mar 18, 2008 09:20

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David Abramson

Feb 29, 2008 17:13

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Jim S

Mar 2, 2008 09:39

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Ed Shell

Mar 3, 2008 10:57

Ed says, "Let us simplify with just the summary: The ratio is 2:1. This means there are TWO successful self...

David Abramson

Mar 3, 2008 13:14

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Fulano Corzo

Mar 6, 2008 20:44

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John Melton

Mar 24, 2008 13:16

I wholly support the thesis of Mr. Stossel, above. As a Jewess in the US, may I remind everyone that... [MORE]

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Feb 28, 2008 13:08

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Feb 28, 2008 01:18

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Feb 27, 2008 17:15

David Abramson -- you are the wrong person to talk about stats. Your comments about "more likely to kill a... [MORE]

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Feb 28, 2008 23:20

Mr. Abramson, while I realize that your comments are directed to Mr. Stossel, I would like to make a few... [MORE]

Ed Shell

Feb 29, 2008 10:56

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Feb 27, 2008 14:06

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John House

Feb 27, 2008 20:52

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John Meadows

Feb 27, 2008 12:56

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