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Submitted by D. Baker, Feb 20, 2008 07:42

Her negative attacks somewhat stemmed Obama's tide? Huh? Just days ago, polls showed only a 4-5% lead for Obama. She went negative, and he won by 17%. Clinton will keep going negative, that's a given, but the idea she's floating--that she's doing it because it worked in Wisconsin--is transparently bogus.


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Feb 21, 2008 14:27

Hillary will ALWAYS have my support whether she wins the nomination or not. Just seeing her stand up so strongly... [MORE]

Angela

Feb 21, 2008 04:11

Think of this ghastly thought: If all of the primaries were winner take all, Hillary Clinton would have a commanding... [MORE]

MIke F.

Feb 21, 2008 00:18

People, even if Obama wins the rest, they will be in a statistical tie, as only 1-2% of the delegate... [MORE]

John

Feb 20, 2008 22:41

But the catch, John, is your phrase "within the rules." The rules are that Florida and Michigan don't count. My... [MORE]

Joe c

Feb 20, 2008 23:35

Yes, Clinton needs a win. Badly. But Obama faces a more uncertain future. While Hillary may not be able to... [MORE]

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Feb 20, 2008 22:18

To be effective, a presidential campaign has to be one part substance and two parts inspiration. A few people are... [MORE]

Joe c

Feb 21, 2008 00:32

There are few moral victories and Hillary cannot claim Wisconsin as one of them. She was beating Obama soundly in... [MORE]

Shin

Feb 20, 2008 22:16

Wisconsin was NOT a narrow defeat... monday some polls even had her in the lead, and there was the whisper... [MORE]

Todd Palmer

Feb 20, 2008 19:48

No, the margin was quite wide. And what I don't understand is why it is supposed to be a good... [MORE]

Joe c

Feb 20, 2008 21:12

Obama aka Mr. Ambiguous will only go so far. Around 10% of his votes last night came from crossover voters.... [MORE]

John Ross

Feb 20, 2008 18:21

Do 2 minutes of research...the rhetoric that Barack Obama is "hollow" and is only about speeches is getting old and... [MORE]

Rebecca

Feb 20, 2008 21:41

Obama beats Hillary by 17 points - yet you refer to it as a "narrow defeat"? Why? Because this time... [MORE]

Michael Kniat

Feb 20, 2008 17:53

CALLING ON ALL REPUBLICANS IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Last night Hillery said she was "ready to defeat the Republicans"... [MORE]

Daniel

Feb 20, 2008 17:48

After reading the article and the blogs that follow, one can only come to the conclusion that we Americans still... [MORE]

lynn payne

Feb 20, 2008 17:29

Remember the old saw? "Democrates Fall In Love; Republicans Fall In Line" Please my fellow Demos don't give the presidency... [MORE]

Buff Given

Feb 20, 2008 17:18

Better yet, what would they think? What would happen now if Hillary got the nomonation? What if she breaks even... [MORE]

Sherlock

Feb 20, 2008 16:58

It's Over, and that is pretty much a fact.Why is it a fact? Just do the math: Obama is up 150... [MORE]

Elad

Feb 20, 2008 16:24

I can't possibly see how Hiliary Clinton can get any comfort out of the results of the Wisconsin primary. It... [MORE]

Ken Derickson

Feb 20, 2008 16:23

By any stretch of the imagination, a 17 1/2 point defeat in a swing state that looks an awful lot... [MORE]

Aaron K.

Feb 20, 2008 16:01

If Clinton wins Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont all by 20%, she only picks up a net gain of... [MORE]

Mac Zilber

Feb 20, 2008 15:24

Barack's margins of victory since Super Tuesday: Louisiana: +21 Nebraska: +36 Washington: +37 Maine: +19 Virgin Islands: +82 DC: +51... [MORE]

Ajax the Greater

Feb 20, 2008 15:22

The Clinton campaign campaigned hard in Wisconsin. They went negative, they threw everything they could at Obama. The demographics was... [MORE]

Marge T.

Feb 20, 2008 14:58

Don't know why CNN and other networks only show Obama with 58% of the vote, given that he had 58.8%... [MORE]

Keith

Feb 20, 2008 14:58

Hmmm, the win doesn't count for much because so many independents and Republicans crossed over to vote for our candidate?... [MORE]

Ursa M

Feb 20, 2008 14:58

For those that think that Obama has alot of x-over appeal, I think there may be abit of a surprise... [MORE]

Heatwave

Feb 20, 2008 16:57

Obama outspent Clinton 4 to 1 in Wisconsin, enough said. $$ [MORE]

Michael

Feb 20, 2008 14:57

Obama outspent Clinton because he's been raising bucketfuls more money from his supporters. What? You think it was desperate? You... [MORE]

Matt Weiss

Feb 20, 2008 20:21

I think you have captured the mindset of the Clinton campaign perfectly. [MORE]

ted

Feb 20, 2008 14:56

According to the majority of columnists, pundits, analysts, even former members of various Clinton campaigns in the past along with... [MORE]

Paul W

Feb 20, 2008 14:45

LOL thanks for reminding me that Obama spent $500,000 in the WI primary when I get home tonight I'll send... [MORE]

JIm Moore

Feb 20, 2008 14:29

You can't be serious in suggesting that a 17-point win is not a rout. It's virtually a landslide. And, most... [MORE]

Howard B.

Feb 20, 2008 14:18

I'm sorry, but I don't understand how a 17% victory in a state that largely favored her demographically can be... [MORE]

Matt Weiss

Feb 20, 2008 14:17

I guess her 17 point victory in NY was "narrow" as well. [MORE]

Newton

Feb 20, 2008 14:37

I'm not exactly sure how a roughly 17 point margin is "keeping it close," even by the low standards of... [MORE]

Mark Panning

Feb 20, 2008 14:13

I believe it is time for Mrs Clinton to call it quits in order to safeguard her reputation and her... [MORE]

orangeal

Feb 20, 2008 14:27

What a strange article. Wapshott declares it a victory for Clinton that Obama owes his win to the 36% of... [MORE]

Bill

Feb 20, 2008 14:07

she is running out of excuses. Truth is she is no Bill and she is, at best, a mediocre politician,... [MORE]

kwaku azar

Feb 20, 2008 14:03

Obama won by 13% in Wisconsin, with Hawaii as dessert. He reached decisively into Clinton's core consituencies. If that's not... [MORE]

Sisyphus in Soho

Feb 20, 2008 14:02

Now to win HRC needs to spread em with victories of 24- 25 % over Barack. Not really possible; me... [MORE]

Double digits = R O U T

Feb 20, 2008 14:24

I don't understand the following comment from this article: Mrs. Clinton can claim to have turned Wisconsin into a narrow... [MORE]

Jeff

Feb 20, 2008 14:00

Are you kidding? Clinton's team has tried to spin this as a narrow loss, but every news outlet has reported... [MORE]

Marcus

Feb 20, 2008 13:57

The claim that "Mrs. Clinton can comfort herself that she did not suffer an outright rout" is difficult to accept.... [MORE]

Iconoclast

Feb 20, 2008 13:56

A narrow defeat is 5 points - NOT 17! [MORE]

RG

Feb 20, 2008 13:54

Given the rules for delegate selection, a "delegate" rout would probably require a 65/35 win. But for most of us who... [MORE]

Harry

Feb 20, 2008 13:47

I mean after losing 10 races, Mrs Clinton needs to go back to the Senate and stop being foolish. McCain has... [MORE]

Betty Chambers

Feb 20, 2008 13:46

58% is not a narrow defeat. That's a double-digit margin of 17 points. I'm sorry that you support Clinton, and... [MORE]

Elad

Feb 20, 2008 13:26

How is a 17 point loss "close"? I'm not anti-Hillary, but lets be real. [MORE]

someone

Feb 20, 2008 13:25

"Instead of an outright loss, Mrs. Clinton can claim to have turned Wisconsin into a narrow defeat. " This is... [MORE]

Doug

Feb 20, 2008 13:24

1. Obama's health plan was never meant to be universal. In fact, no economically sound health plan SHOULD be universal.... [MORE]

jc

Feb 20, 2008 13:17

Since when is an 18-point loss a narrow defeat? [MORE]

ziggytosh

Feb 20, 2008 13:09

Billary lost 10 contests in a row-how can she possibly recover from ten losses? I am so tired of hearing... [MORE]

Jodi

Feb 20, 2008 13:07

17 points in a state that all agree should be a core Clinton state is a narrow loss? [MORE]

Joel

Feb 20, 2008 12:58

Hillary had run a pretty good campaign till South Carolina and even Super Tuesday. But since then, her campaign is... [MORE]

pakman

Feb 20, 2008 12:49

Obama won WI handily by 17 points, hardly a close-call. When one considers that realclearpolitics polls averaged him ahead of... [MORE]

Robert Mayer

Feb 20, 2008 12:45

"Narrow defeat" in Wisconsin??? Negative ads were effective??? I live in Texas, and early voting has just begun. Longest lines anyone... [MORE]

Mark

Feb 20, 2008 12:44

You don't think Wisconsin was a rout? You're either the most rabid Hillary Clinton fan writing or you don't understand... [MORE]

Donnie Marler

Feb 20, 2008 12:41

A 17 point margin is hardly a "narrow defeat". [MORE]

C. Fink

Feb 20, 2008 12:41

Obama won by 17 points in a state Hillary shouldn't have even had to campaign in. She will have to... [MORE]

Da5id

Feb 20, 2008 12:37

To call the Wisconsin victory a "narrow defeat" is pure spin. 58% is a wider margin of victory than any... [MORE]

Martin Feldman

Feb 20, 2008 12:37

In what world is a 59-41 percent loss a "narrow defeat"? [MORE]

Joe

Feb 20, 2008 12:36

I hardly think that losing a state that should have been made up largely of her 'base' by 17% could... [MORE]

Ron

Feb 20, 2008 12:35

We must have different definitions of "narrow". She lost 58-41. That's a complete and utter rout by any reasonable definition,... [MORE]

Craig Miles

Feb 20, 2008 12:27

The RCP average of Wisconsin polls was about 4 percent in favor of Obama. He won by four times that.... [MORE]

DANatUSDLAW

Feb 20, 2008 12:24

So the author claims that Clinton was brilliant in her ability to take a state (Wisconsin) tailor-made to her demographic... [MORE]

Chris

Feb 20, 2008 12:20

>>Last night's result in Wisconsin showed how canny the Clintons are at gaming the Democratic race. Instead of an outright... [MORE]

Dan Conley

Feb 20, 2008 12:15

I don't know how anyone can claim that a 17 point drubbing is a narrow defeat? Polls were showing it... [MORE]

Thom

Feb 20, 2008 12:11

Last night has been almost universally described in the American press as a wipe-out. Mrs. Clinton is out of money,... [MORE]

Larry Sharp

Feb 20, 2008 12:08

Exit polls show that, in fact, Obama won registered Democrats. (Is "traditional" your variation on the Clinton campaign standard that... [MORE]

Eric

Feb 20, 2008 12:06

Nicholas Wapshott claims that Hillary Clinton successfully played the expectations game in Wisconsin by turning "an outright loss" into a... [MORE]

Michael Barnes

Feb 20, 2008 12:02

How do you figure that 17 points is a "narrow defeat"? [MORE]

Dean Collins

Feb 20, 2008 12:01

He claims that Clinton will be able to claim a narrow defeat? How so?? She lost by 17 points! In... [MORE]

Neil100283

Feb 20, 2008 11:59

17 percentage points is hardly a narrow defeat. The Clintons have simply been unprepared as they thought they would be... [MORE]

saw

Feb 20, 2008 11:55

What in the world are you talking about? Narrow Victory? Avoided a rout? I can understand having to write about things... [MORE]

Mark Flanders

Feb 20, 2008 11:53

Narrow defeat? She lost by 17% while continuing to chip away at her base. [MORE]

Andy Brown

Feb 20, 2008 11:46

The negative ads stemmed the tide? A quarter of the electorate said that only Clinton attacked unfairly, and 94% of... [MORE]

Ted Venegas

Feb 20, 2008 11:45

A 17 point loss -- in a state with almost ideal demographics for her -- is a "narrow defeat?" Let's... [MORE]

John

Feb 20, 2008 11:43

That's interesting....I guess by that barometer the only state Mrs. Clinton resoundingly beat Mr. Obama in was Arkansas. That is... [MORE]

Renee Chamley

Feb 20, 2008 11:43

A 17-18 point rout in Wisconsin a narrow defeat? Narrow defeat the way her 2-3 point victory in New Hampshire... [MORE]

Fred Poole

Feb 20, 2008 11:41

Senator Obama defeated Senator Clinton by 58% to 41% in Wisconsin. What margin would be required for an "outright loss"? Prior... [MORE]

Dean

Feb 20, 2008 11:41

Obama turned a statistical dead heat into a blow out. He won virtually every demographic and did so convincingly. I... [MORE]

adam

Feb 20, 2008 11:39

Your article has given me a glimmer of hope. Our family has been involved in politics for 40 years. I... [MORE]

Susan Nolan

Feb 20, 2008 11:27

How can anyone conclude that a 17-point margin is a "narrow" defeat? [MORE]

Donn Wallace

Feb 20, 2008 11:18

Clinton lost by 17%, that's not a narrow loss. Obama cut into her base, Wisconsin shows that Hillary's supporters are... [MORE]

Andy

Feb 20, 2008 11:14

"narrow defeat"? How is a 17-point blowout a narrow defeat? [MORE]

Joe

Feb 20, 2008 11:07

You honestly beleive 17 points is a narrow defeat? Tremendous defeat for Hillary. [MORE]

Jim West

Feb 20, 2008 11:02

I doubt you can find many business people or statisticians who would call a 17 point difference "narrow". [MORE]

G. Tanner

Feb 20, 2008 10:54

Obama's victory margin in Wisconsin was 17 points. That's exactly the margin of Clinton's victory in her home state. Can... [MORE]

Richard Goodyear

Feb 20, 2008 10:52

Nice try to spin this, but 58 to 41 is an embarrassing blowout loss for Clinton, especially after polls were... [MORE]

Theo

Feb 20, 2008 10:48

Does anyone buy the idea that Wisconsin was a narrow defeat for Senator Clinton? A 17 point defeat and a... [MORE]

TL

Feb 20, 2008 10:48

LOL - are you kidding she got destroyed! It's all over for Hillary. [MORE]

Mark

Feb 20, 2008 10:46

1) Where I'm from 17 points is not a narrow margin of defeat. 2) Some exit polls show a statistical tie... [MORE]

Chris

Feb 20, 2008 10:45

Do you honestly think last night settled little? He ate into her base, and polling shows the races now tied... [MORE]

Mike

Feb 20, 2008 10:34

While no polls predicted the magnitude of this margin--the most respectable had Obama ahead 4 or 5 points several days... [MORE]

Bill Slayton

Feb 20, 2008 10:34

Hillary is a tough competitor with key states in her corral..California, New York, New Jersey, Massachussets and soon Texas, Ohio... [MORE]

John McCoy

Feb 20, 2008 10:27

Clinton has shown her true colors as a caring person and as a Commander-in-Chief. The Wisconsin lines were long in... [MORE]

lycope

Feb 21, 2008 00:41

Mr. Obama can take solace? A narrow victory? He won by 18 points. Hillary will have to win the remaining... [MORE]

Jay

Feb 20, 2008 10:21

i really think u have missed the whole mood of the country.... i think u in america are missing something...even in... [MORE]

vj

Feb 20, 2008 10:14

This was a 17 point thrashing! No amount of spin on your part will change that...... [MORE]

Rick Adams

Feb 20, 2008 10:11

A narrow defeat? She lost by 17 points! She got creamed. [MORE]

W. Taylor

Feb 20, 2008 10:06

In order to win the nomination she would need to take 60% of the delegates in Texas and Ohio, which... [MORE]

Bill Ohio

Feb 20, 2008 10:05

How is a 17-point defeat "narrow"? The Clinton's themselves claimed they expected to keep it within 5 points. And the argument... [MORE]

Louis M.

Feb 20, 2008 10:03

Obama - 58%Clinton - 41% 17% difference is a narrow defeat? That's twice the percentage difference in popular vote of Reagan/Mondale... [MORE]

John

Feb 20, 2008 10:01

Last night's result in Wisconsin showed how canny the Clintons are at gaming the Democratic race. Instead of an outright... [MORE]

Brian

Feb 20, 2008 09:56

A narrow defeat? This was a route, in territory that Clinton ought to have owned. After polls indicated a close... [MORE]

Ben

Feb 20, 2008 09:53

She lost by 17 points. How was that not a rout? [MORE]

matt r

Feb 20, 2008 09:51

You cannot compare a movement to a candidate. This is a movement and you'd better join before it is too... [MORE]

Kevin Cohen

Feb 20, 2008 09:51

17% is a narrow defeat? After polls showed her within 5%? [MORE]

matt

Feb 20, 2008 09:48

Obama won by 17%. Not a narrow victory in my estimation considering that he was polling at a mere 4%... [MORE]

John Publius

Feb 20, 2008 09:42

17% is a narrow defeat? [MORE]

Chris Jernigan

Feb 20, 2008 09:40

Obama was leading by around 4% in major Wisconsin polls over the weekend, by about 10% in less well-known polls... [MORE]

Aaron Levitt

Feb 20, 2008 09:39

% = nothingdelegates = everything That is where the margin is small and that's the only thing that matters. CNN and... [MORE]

MDSM

Feb 20, 2008 16:17

Combined, the two losses set Clinton back by about 21 delegates. That's a truly significant total at this late stage... [MORE]

Joe c

Feb 20, 2008 22:11

Clinton herself denied last night that the "plagiarism" charge had been manufactured by her campaign, even though one of the... [MORE]

Bruce in London

Feb 20, 2008 09:35

I don't know how you could buy the idea that Clinton won the expectations game. The latest poll average showed... [MORE]

Howard

Feb 20, 2008 09:33

Senator Clinton: Just bow out gracefully for the good of the party and for your hopes in 2016. It is pretty... [MORE]

Dave from NY

Feb 20, 2008 09:29

calling a 17 point loss in wisconsin a narrow defeat is inaccurate. by that logic, Obama only narrowly lost CAlf.... [MORE]

henry

Feb 20, 2008 09:28

The polls have been wrong so many times, it is not a good idea to base your column on polls... [MORE]

dane ayers

Feb 20, 2008 09:24

Sir, The Democratic nominee contest is deadlocked now and however much the biased media gives a free ride to Barack... [MORE]

Maung Maung Nyo

Feb 20, 2008 09:15

Are you kidding? To make anything of the Wisconsin PRIMARY (remember when Obama was just about caucuses?) other than a... [MORE]

Tim

Feb 20, 2008 09:08

There is a huge contrast between Obama's rhetoric and his pedestrian agenda in fact it's quite stark if anyone takes... [MORE]

J C Dillon

Feb 20, 2008 09:07

The $500,000 he spent on ads is a pittance considering more than 25,000 people have donated since last night. He... [MORE]

Scott Miller

Feb 20, 2008 09:06

How can you possible describe 17 points as a "narrow loss"? In politics, it's a thrashing, especially when the polls... [MORE]

Jared

Feb 20, 2008 09:03

Obama won by 17 points in Wisconsin! To read this article, you would think it was 52-48. [MORE]

Jonah

Feb 20, 2008 09:03

Thank you for your analysis. As a woman over 60, I feel it is way past time for a woman... [MORE]

bailey's mom

Feb 20, 2008 08:59

Let's review the results. Obama won by 17 points, hardly a narrow victory by any standard; this was twice as... [MORE]

Harvey Thomson

Feb 20, 2008 08:58

Hillary should just get out now. All she serves to do is ruin the democratic party's chances at the presidential... [MORE]

Veronica

Feb 20, 2008 08:55

The people are saying NO to Mrs. Clinton. They are saying YES, YES, YES to Mr. Obama. Wisconsin was a... [MORE]

Munk

Feb 20, 2008 08:54

Since when is 17 points a narrow loss? There is no way Clinton can put a good face on this... [MORE]

John

Feb 20, 2008 08:52

Since when is a 17 point spread not an outright loss? This was a blowout that far exceeded the late... [MORE]

Lee Wright

Feb 20, 2008 08:46

If you look here: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WIDEM you'll see that Obama actually won Democrats 53-46. Not only that but you've badly misjudged the... [MORE]

K

Feb 20, 2008 08:42

Clinton lost by 17 points! Convince me that's a "narrow defeat" for me, and I'll buy you a beer. As... [MORE]

Common Sense

Feb 20, 2008 08:15

Dream on. This is over. Clinton will never be able to win the margins she needs to in Texas and... [MORE]

ATurner

Feb 20, 2008 08:05

Last i checked 17 points (58/41) was not considered a narrow defeat. O/08. [MORE]

nathan

Feb 20, 2008 07:59

With all due respect, but 58 - 41 % for Obama in a state that has only a very small... [MORE]

MartinBertschi

Feb 20, 2008 07:54

Your analysis is right on the mark. I believe Hillary can still win. The only problem is the press who... [MORE]

mel miller

Feb 20, 2008 07:52

Surely before it transpired that Obama won by about 17%. [MORE]

Rodger Lodger

Feb 20, 2008 07:46

The young and the "fresh, inexperienced" voters - who really do not have any idea of what it is to... [MORE]

PurplePolitics

Feb 20, 2008 16:52

I am a mother, an aunt and a grandmother and I am excited that America finally has a viable candidate... [MORE]

Sick of Politics As Usual

Feb 20, 2008 21:33

Her negative attacks somewhat stemmed Obama's tide? Huh? Just days ago, polls showed only a 4-5% lead for Obama. She...

D. Baker

Feb 20, 2008 07:42

How is 17 points a "narrow defeat"? That is a drubbing, pure and simple. And by the way, according to... [MORE]

Trent

Feb 20, 2008 02:34

58 to 41 percent is an outright rout. [MORE]

just thinking

Feb 20, 2008 02:08

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