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Rangel Adopts the Logic of Kerry's ‘Joke'

Submitted by Randall H., Nov 28, 2006 13:44

Oh, here we go.... let someone seem to defame the young soldiers of America, and a flood of numbskulls crawls out of the woodwork to blast and berate him and make the ever-cheap accusation that he's "unpatriotic." Listen up, folks. What Rangle was clearly criticizing is the way we continually allow our government leaders--who are themselves, generally, people of privilege, and who are often beholden to special interests of all kinds--to use our youth as cannon fodder whenever they see fit, for whatever stupid and misguided cause. This past election proved that a big chunk of America has come to realize what Bush and his neo-con cronies have denied all along: that the war in Iraq was a huge mistake and has ended up accomplishing little, if any good, and has perhaps only made a bad situation worse. But yeah, god forbid any of you take your anger and indignation to the President, where it belongs. No, you see, Bush would stand there and give you the platitudinous nonsense that you enjoy hearing; that our wonderful troops are doing a great job, that they're doing their patriotic duty, that they deserve our respect and gratitude... ad nauseum. And you'd go away happy and satisfied, saying to yourselves, "at least Bush pays the proper homage to our soldiers" and then sling your invectives at someone like Charles Rangle, who just wants to wake you up and make you think, instead of just buying whatever shoddy goods the President would like to sell you.

Yes folks, we all know our soldiers are doing a good job and are patriotic, and we're all grateful that people sign up to do the job they do. But that isn't the point here. The point is, is it okay for a bunch of privileged rich-types--who are hopelessly distanced from the people they represent--to take our armed forces into whatever ill-conceived conflict they choose, knowing it's not they, nor their sons and daughters, who will have to fight?

Enough of the self-denial on this issue also. Yes, we all know there's a lot of people who sign up for military service because they simply feel it's their duty to serve. But none of us wants to admit that it's we, or our brothers, sons, uncles, or fathers that have to sign up for the military because it's the only way for a poor, under-privileged person to get an education and/or to find some means to make a halfway decent living. You can go on and on about how it's not like that for you or your family, but there comes a time when we have to recognize that the truth hurts, and all we're doing is avoiding the pain of it.

The thing Rangle was getting at is, because people like Bush and his cronies come from privileged backgrounds, because people like that don't have to face the bleak choices that life sometimes forces upon those of us of less-privileged stature, and because they have the power to do so, they think little of forcing your sons, brothers, uncles and fathers to go do their dirty work, when it literally is dirty work, when it's a dirty, stupid mistake of a war, fought for god-know-what-actual-reasons. (The "war on terror" or the war for oil? Who can say?) Members of my family, including my father, served with distinction in WWII... in combat, not behind desks. One of my uncles, however, decided to go back in to the service when the Korean War broke out. He was killed there. He had risked his life for his country at the invasion of Normandy and all throughout the push into Germany. But he was killed, finally, in a war of questionable value or sense. My father always thought that his brother had made a terrible mistake and had thrown his life away for nothing. I'm forced to agree. It's a matter of honor, yes, to volunteer to fight. But honor should go both ways. Presidents, politicians, statesmen and diplomats owe it to us and to our children to not involve our country in meaningless, stupid, and dishonest wars. Now of course it's not always cut and dry. The value of the Korean War is perhaps debatable. It was clearer that a war like Viet Nam was an out-and-out mistake, and not only that but an injust war... and it's clear that the same can be said for Iraq. If we let self-serving, dim-witted men like Bush lead us into such wars, allowing ourselves to be lulled into supporting them because they mouth the cheap words that we want to hear, words that assure us that we are patriotic and are doing our duty if we line up behind them, then we deserve what we get. Whether you agree with Charles Rangle or not, he is in fact doing the duty of a citizen, leader, and statesman in a democracy; he is forcing us to face the hard questions and he is speaking critically of our policies. He's also not backing off from what we consider to be sacred. Fine, you don't have to like what he said or agree with it. But realize that he's trying to make a point about fairness. Stop feeling insulted by Rangle and realize he wouldn't have to say what he said if it wasn't for the far larger insult played upon you by the Bush administration.


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Dec 1, 2006 02:05

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Mike S

Dec 5, 2006 07:42

I served in the Marine Corps as an infantry officer. I'd have to say the educational level and social background... [MORE]

Steve Scott

Nov 30, 2006 08:25

Why doesn't Mr. Rangel form a commission and find out why New England and New York in particular don't bare... [MORE]

Kris B.

Nov 29, 2006 18:09

Interesting, but where do you come up with your conclusions? You state "children of Republicans are doing the the majority... [MORE]

Stephanie

Nov 30, 2006 16:23

It's a well documented fact that children on an overwhelming scale follow their parents beliefs in politics. It's not a... [MORE]

Kris B.

Dec 4, 2006 20:36

Everything you wrote as fact is actually pure conjecture. My parents are Republicans and all three of their children are liberal... [MORE]

Stephanie

Dec 6, 2006 15:53

Rep Charles Rangel's "un-botched joke" implies that there are only two kinds of people who would defend their country: those... [MORE]

Miguel Guanipa

Nov 29, 2006 16:34

The all volunteer military is a great working idea. The armed services actually get the people who want to join.... [MORE]

Kris B.

Nov 29, 2006 14:55

Mr Rangel: Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. I served 10 years with some of... [MORE]

Dave G

Nov 29, 2006 12:18

Mr Kerry was implying that by Bush being a dumbass, he ended up getting America stuck in Iraq. Had he... [MORE]

Maxwell Y

Nov 29, 2006 12:12

62% of all Presidents have served in the military. Contrast that with the 9% of Democratic Congressmen and Senators who... [MORE]

Kris B.

Nov 29, 2006 18:18

When I graduated from high school in 1981 (GPA 3.25) I was working as a dishwasher and making $1 more... [MORE]

TiJon

Nov 29, 2006 11:51

Rangel is an ignorant ass just like the rest of the Democrats. I have spent 14 years in the U.S.... [MORE]

Brian L Payne

Nov 29, 2006 10:44

Learn to spell, mr edumacated..."collage?" [MORE]

OBSERVER

Nov 29, 2006 21:47

I served 28 years in the U.S. Navy; retired in 1997. If the military would accept me, I go over... [MORE]

Frank Slaby

Nov 29, 2006 10:33

"If a young fellow has an option of having a decent career, or joining the Army to fight in Iraq,... [MORE]

Mike S

Nov 29, 2006 09:50

Rangel served well in the military during his time, but the dynamics of the armed services have changed since the... [MORE]

Kris B.

Nov 29, 2006 09:32

I've heard plenty of liberals blaming rich Republicans for not sending their kids into the military. How come many Democrats... [MORE]

Kris B.

Nov 29, 2006 14:43

Neither of those elitists could ever understand why my bright, intelligent son who attended the public school's gifted and talented... [MORE]

Jaye D.

Nov 29, 2006 09:23

Jaye D: How can you say Rangel and Kerry have a 'pure hatred of the military'? That is just stupid. Why... [MORE]

Stephanie

Nov 29, 2006 14:08

Mr Rangle is a poseur... if you hear him speak, he knows nothing of poverty. By his most recent actions... [MORE]

Bonfire

Nov 28, 2006 23:34

"Mr. Kane, a former Air Force intelligence officer, said his study found that 97% of military enlistees were high school... [MORE]

Statistician

Nov 28, 2006 20:20

Rangel is right. The vast majority of people are not going to choose the military, or even consider it, as a... [MORE]

T. vanRoste

Nov 28, 2006 20:12

I'm a college student who's been pretty lucky scholarship-wise, and plenty of my friends are headed into the military as... [MORE]

Kat

Nov 28, 2006 18:17

"No bright young individual wants to fight just because of a bonus and just because of educational benefits." "Once we... [MORE]

tuxedobob

Nov 28, 2006 14:17

Most of these comment talk about their brave friends, relatives, or neighbors that serve, but if you haven't serve you... [MORE]

Joe

Nov 28, 2006 13:45

Oh, here we go.... let someone seem to defame the young soldiers of America, and a flood of numbskulls crawls...

Randall H.

Nov 28, 2006 13:44

I find it odd that Mr. Rangle can make such statements and declare that they are factual. The truth is... [MORE]

Tony D.

Nov 28, 2006 13:06

Chucky is just showing how he feels about this country. And when he's given facts that dispute his claim he... [MORE]

travis

Nov 28, 2006 12:59

and wrong. He never said that "everyone in the military is stupid". Nor did he say "everyone that is intelligent won't... [MORE]

Bill

Nov 28, 2006 12:56

Think very carefully about what Mr. Rangel said, and then compare it to what Timothy Kane said. You will see... [MORE]

Tony

Nov 28, 2006 12:56

Usually the most obvious explantion is the right one. What about those of us who chose not to fight, what... [MORE]

Chris

Nov 28, 2006 12:50

Mr. Rangel, What about the 4400 cadets such as myself at West Point? Do you think we are here and will... [MORE]

Cody

Nov 28, 2006 12:23

Opening up your mouth like this is a stupid thing to do for someone in public office but he is... [MORE]

Jeff E

Nov 28, 2006 12:14

If you are 18 years old and have money to go to to college, or any other prospects, you do... [MORE]

Stephanie

Nov 28, 2006 12:13

Anecdotal evidence is not taken as fact in a court of law or in the court of public opinion. The... [MORE]

Kris B.

Dec 4, 2006 20:48

no where did I suggest that my opinion was fact. [MORE]

Stephanie

Dec 7, 2006 15:41

Militaries ever since the dawn of history have used the lower classes as pawns in their struggles... this shouldn't be... [MORE]

kevin

Nov 28, 2006 12:10

3/4 of all our Presidents in history were at one time in the military. I guess they didn't have a... [MORE]

Kris B.

Dec 5, 2006 09:57

If a young Patriot in this country wants to help his country, he can serve in the military, he can... [MORE]

Kevin Hogarth

Nov 28, 2006 12:06

I spent seven years in the INFANTRY.I had finished a few years of college already, but most of my comrades... [MORE]

Joe Smith

Nov 28, 2006 12:03

Rep. Rangel proposed a draft because he wants to make the decision to go to war more difficult. I agree... [MORE]

Ned Balzer

Nov 28, 2006 11:54

I just finished my undergraduate degree in Journalism and have joined the U.S. Army as a firefighter. Rangel's comments are... [MORE]

John

Nov 28, 2006 11:50

Rangel's district is in the primarily lower- and lower-middle-class Harlem, where I live. The best analysis of his intentions here... [MORE]

Steve

Nov 28, 2006 11:35

As a veteran when I first read Rangel's remark I was furious, now I'm just filled with pity. Rangel cannot... [MORE]

Carl Hyngstrom

Nov 27, 2006 22:32

I attended the Univ. of Pennsylvania (Ivy League), as did my wife. We were both in Army ROTC. Penn is... [MORE]

James Brothers

Nov 27, 2006 20:43

Mr Rangle must be living in a hole. Not only did we have good Americans like Pat Tillman, he is... [MORE]

Vince Padia

Nov 27, 2006 16:32

Rangle also mentioned that he was subjected to having spent time in the armed services - and now he's a... [MORE]

Larry Schmitt

Nov 27, 2006 14:31

Yeah, Charlie, I don't doubt that YOU don't believe someone would actually fight for his country. And you a former... [MORE]

James Bridge

Nov 27, 2006 16:12

Mr Rangle, My son is a college graduate who chose to go into the military for patriotic reasons. Obviously, you are... [MORE]

Doug

Nov 27, 2006 13:57

My brother-in-law who has a business degree quit his civilian job to join the Army, turned down a desk job... [MORE]

Ted A.

Nov 27, 2006 13:56

First of all, Rangel was drafted into the Army during the Korean War. And his desire to re-instate the draft... [MORE]

John E. Kraft

Nov 27, 2006 10:53

Tell the Hon.(Sarc) Mr. Rangel that some of us have chosen to defend our country, ANYWHERE we are needed. I... [MORE]

Ed Brault

Nov 27, 2006 10:09

It may well be that Mr. Rangel is wrong, but it is so very interesting how all of these Think... [MORE]

Joe

Nov 27, 2006 09:28

My son is on his second tour to Iraq. I don't need idot's like Rangel telling me or anyone about... [MORE]

Bill Dockery

Nov 27, 2006 08:21

Are we proud to have him in a leadership position in our government? I am appalled. A young neighbor just... [MORE]

EstherT

Nov 27, 2006 08:20

We get the government we deserve. New York gets Rangle. His pure hate for the men and women of the... [MORE]

Larry Parrish

Nov 27, 2006 07:58

I am not commenting one way or the other on the potential efficacy of Rangle's proposed draft, or what I... [MORE]

Active Duty Officer

Nov 29, 2006 07:46

I have a nephew in Iraq and it just infuriates me the this supposed leader of the house can denigrate the... [MORE]

Janet Rager

Nov 27, 2006 07:21

Mr. Rangel is wrong. My husband being the perfect example. He received his PhD in Genetics from UC Berkeley, completed... [MORE]

Pamela F.

Nov 27, 2006 08:19

Charles Rangel never lets the facts interfere with his rhetoric. He listens to empirical evidence, and merely sluffs it off.... [MORE]

Richard D. Kvies

Nov 27, 2006 06:10

I will in no way argue that there aren't bright, intelligent, and educated people in the military. I have known... [MORE]

Marci T

Nov 28, 2006 12:59

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