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Don't Blame the Teachers

Submitted by Anne Spence, Jun 15, 2007 08:27

I only partially agree, because I'm sure a very small percentage of students are as Ms. Ravitch describes. (A very small percentage).

But, tell me this: Why do we have teachers who are unwilling to take on their boss? When the walls of Rome are crumbling, and our teachers moral is almost at the bottom of the barrel, and a groundswell of disapproval from parents is paving the way for the ineffective superintendent's removal.......tell me, where were the teachers?

When you have a dyslexic student with 4th grade reading, who is held at that reading age for 4 years, because the programs and teaching they "supposedly" provide is very ineffective.....where were the teachers? Did they stand up for the fundamental needs of the student and demand that effective teaching be given to this child? No! Did they decide amongst themselves and demand from their principal that one of them at least, could get training to teach the 10% of their school population how to read using a scientifically proven method of teaching? No! They all just sit there, 12 of them, around a table, verses two of you and a child, and lie!! They pretend that they are doing well, and that Little Jonnie is doing well, and that you, the parent, should be happy with "well". Well! I am not happy when my son stays at a 4th grade reading age for 4 years, and they give me lip service about how well he is doing, because one time out of 20 he managed to write his homework in his planner at a 2nd grade spelling level that neither one of us could read.

When this go-getting parent spends 7 years advocating for her dyslexic son, changing Colorado state law to include dyslexia as a specific learning disability (so the teachers can stop with the 4 hour IEP meeting semantics by saying "Oh..we don't recognize dyslexia in the state of Colorado") and 4 years begging them to let the tutor on the premises and rework the schedule they can't handle it! "Ohh...it's unfair on the other children" they cry. Unfair? Isn't leaving my son with a 4th grade reading age for 4 years unfair? Or having students in 12th grade with a 4th or 5th grade reading age unfair? LOL.

Apparently, it's the norm. "It's not our job to advocate for children" they say. "We might get fired!" Bleeding heart liberals. Stand up! Be counted! If you want to change ineffective education methods you use and make them effective, then stand up for what you know in your heart to be right!

Don't get me started on tenured teachers who are useless, and who are just biding their time to collect their pension and insurance. I blame the unions for keeping those people on. Who are they helping?

Teachers today are lame. There's nothing else to say about them. They bemoan their leadership, and yet their pension and salary are more important than for them to stand up and fight for their beliefs, so that they might actually function as teachers who can teach, verses miserable, low moralled individuals who do nothing more than (1) blame their students (2) blame the parents (3) blame the principal (4) blame the superintendent.

Oh no.....there's nothing wrong with teachers is there, so long as they can blame the children, then the teacher's will NEVER improve on educating our youth.

I forgot to say: When I hired a qualified Certified Academic Language Therapist, this child of mine, whom those "lovely teachers" described as (1) unteachable (2) "You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" (3) "He is not dyslexic, he is ADD/ADHD, so you should put him on Ritalin so he can focus in my class (4 - 100) etc, etc, -- taught my son with a scientifically proven method of teaching, he went from a 4th grade reading age, to an 11th grade reading age......whilst still in 8th grade, and all within 18 months. Now, that wasn't hard was it?

Hah! Talk to me about ineffective teachers. They damn well took all the credit too. That shows how stupid they really are. Not one of them could see the potential in my son. Not one of them stood up and said they knew he could be taught.

So yes, talk to me of teachers. Teachers who allow children to perform to only 50% of their peer group, because they are pathetic enough to discount the intelligent child who scares them with dyslexia. Teachers who allow IPODS and cell phones in a classroom, because they are "scared" of the student's reaction. Teachers who year after year, allow the entire student body to "boo" the Freshman, because they have lost the respect of their charges, and must think booing is an acceptable form of welcome to the new incoming students. Teachers who sit before the school board and ham it up for the superintendent, by lying about how well everything is going, instead of finding the courage to tell it as it really is. Teachers who can barely make it to school, because their moral is so low, but who are afraid to do anything to change it. Teachers who allow the superintendent to lie to the media about their success and failures, because they are afraid of public perception. You know -- when we have dismal CSAP results, tell us! Then watch us come to you and say "How can we help you!" Don't count the "partially proficient" and tell us we are the best. Even students know that "partially proficient" means there's a disconnect.

I'm really not sure where else to lay the blame. For years, I was willing to go 50/50, but from where I'm sitting, it's definitely their fault.


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Jun 17, 2007 11:36

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Jun 16, 2007 17:28

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Jun 16, 2007 13:50

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Judith

Jun 16, 2007 10:51

Ms. Ravitch you are right. The detractors of public education in America have been fooling the public and even many... [MORE]

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Jun 16, 2007 09:30

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Debbie Smith

Jun 18, 2007 14:07

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Paul Preston, Inside Education, Educational Talk Radio

Jun 19, 2007 23:50

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Debbie Smith

Jun 20, 2007 13:44

Thankfullly, we finally live in a state that has mandatory testing. It's a godsend since most of my childrens' teachers... [MORE]

Moira

Jun 15, 2007 23:03

Everyone who can remember when tests were measures of student success rather than the teacher's... raise your hand....! And by the... [MORE]

Michelle

Jun 18, 2007 07:27

Yes, BRAVO for NCLB, it is truly the first step in legislative efforts at public education reform. In addition to... [MORE]

Debbie Smith

Jun 18, 2007 14:14

To Diane Ravitch: Thank you! [MORE]

Dennis Fermoyle

Jun 15, 2007 21:28

I am a teacher and have been an assistant principal and a high school principal. I now work for the... [MORE]

Mary

Jun 15, 2007 20:07

Diane Ravitch--this is an awesome statement. Politicians, business people, most conservatives, and all those others who could never hold their... [MORE]

John E. Russo II

Jun 15, 2007 15:36

Those who want to blame the entire set of teachers for the state of education today have never bothered to... [MORE]

Michelle

Jun 15, 2007 13:08

Diane Ravich is absolutely correct in identifying the source of America's educational woes in students' lack of work ethic. But... [MORE]

Mary Hudson

Jun 15, 2007 11:39

I only partially agree, because I'm sure a very small percentage of students are as Ms. Ravitch describes. (A very...

Anne Spence

Jun 15, 2007 08:27

I agree with Ms. Ravitch that student apathy is a real problem in government schools and with many of the... [MORE]

Crimson Wife

Jun 15, 2007 15:44

You are angry--that 's obvious. However, as a public school Teacher, with excellent evaluations and commendations, I know Diane Ravitch... [MORE]

John E. Russo II

Jun 15, 2007 16:12

I was saddened to read the posting from the mother of the dyslexic student. Having been a special educator for... [MORE]

Jeanne

Jun 18, 2007 10:25

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rb

Aug 24, 2007 21:36

I'm a Chinese student. No offense to all the teachers in the US, I have to say that, from a... [MORE]

Vera

Oct 8, 2007 09:22

You dramatically made the case that politically correct textbooks reflect bad scholarship and are part of the problem in The... [MORE]

Jon T. Hill

Jun 14, 2007 19:36

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Paul Cameron

Jun 14, 2007 19:18

As a committed liberal, I have never been a fan of Professor Ravitch's work--until now. It is good for both... [MORE]

Bernard Freydberg

Jun 14, 2007 19:06

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Michelle

Jun 15, 2007 13:25

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Don Swearingen

Jun 14, 2007 19:05

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Nancy

Jun 14, 2007 15:30

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Debbie Smith

Jun 14, 2007 14:16

School administrators are often caught between student need and lack of funding. This makes them horribly defensive, and have a... [MORE]

Michelle

Jun 15, 2007 13:43

I appreciate the sentiment you are expressing to the notion that if parents simply refuse to accept "no" for an... [MORE]

Debbie Smith

Jun 16, 2007 17:06

While it is true that many parents either lack knowhow and/or time in order to ensure the best education for... [MORE]

Michelle

Jun 18, 2007 07:06

I agree with you that we need stronger legislation and better enforcement in our schools, but, the facts surrounding school... [MORE]

Debbie Smith

Jun 18, 2007 13:42

What Ravitch says is true, as far as it goes, but some things are the fault of the teaching profession,... [MORE]

Charles Connell

Jun 14, 2007 12:58

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Michelle

Jun 15, 2007 13:47

To: Ms. Ravitch and the Editors No doubt the teachers are wrongfully blamed for the past several decades of public education... [MORE]

Nancy Joyce Jancourtz

Jun 14, 2007 12:24

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Harold Brown

Jun 14, 2007 12:06

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Ben Hull

Jun 14, 2007 11:23

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sonja moran

Jun 14, 2007 11:14

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Heather

Jun 14, 2007 11:08

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Jaime Cordero

Jun 15, 2007 10:41

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Linda Jalufka

Jun 14, 2007 10:54

To me, your article is clear and hits the 'Nail' right on the head. Your perspective is so obvious to... [MORE]

Robert D. Mossman

Jun 14, 2007 10:41

I am in my late 50's and have been teaching for 6 years here in North Carolina. In all that... [MORE]

Joe Grace

Jun 14, 2007 10:22

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Jun 14, 2007 09:46

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Jun 14, 2007 09:14

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Jun 14, 2007 09:04

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Thomas Farrell

Jun 14, 2007 08:54

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