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in response to reader comment: Do you stake our children's future on the scientific consensus or wishful thinking?

Submitted by Jim Temple, Feb 12, 2007 09:13

The faith of people, like ruckover, have in computer models is astounding. It would actually be a joke if the subject, and the proposed solutions, weren't so important. The people who believe that man is responsible for global warming have little proof and many theories. They use computer models, filled with flaws, that show apocalyptic scenerios, take the high end of all the scenerios, and then wonder why people have a difficult time believing them.

Ellen Goodman had an editorial about the "deniers" where she compares those that don't believe man is causing global warming to holocaust deniers. I would say that those who are ready to blame man for all of the .7C rise in temperature, in the 20th Century, are more akin to global warming deniers. They skew facts, they rely on assumptions based on incomplete data, and then try to convince the world they're right based on their faulty assumptions.

In the Global Warming debate, science will ultimately win out. If scientists are allowed to do their work, with the freedom to disagree with "consensus" theories, it will be sooner, rather than later. If their voices are smothered, by the rhetoric involved in this debate, we will spend trillions of dollars before the truth comes out.

This should be a scientific debate before it becomes a political debate. One thing the IPCC report did was lower the dire predictions of the previous report. Why was that? Was it that the computer models were proven wrong? Let's allow the scientists to get it right before we start discrediting those who dispute the science. We will all be much better off because of it and will be united in the ultimate conclusions. As with many other debates that become political, there is only consensus in the choir, ultimately it's the remainder who will support, or not support, the conclusions. Right now, there is no consensus among those who will be asked to pay for the conclusions of the few. That will not be accomplished by the sort of rhetoric coming from the left on this subject. Mr. Gore's movie has been proven to be frought with more rhetoric than substance. That's not the way to convince the masses.


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